Muddy Waters

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  WT Study - 28th Aug 2016 - “Do Not Let the Faults of Others Stumble You”

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in paragraph 2 of this study, the gbojw evidences once again that they are sticking to the absurd 1914 doctrine – “when the last days of the present system began...”.

  i noted that as 2014 approached, the gbojw became somewhat reticent about making reference to revelation 12:12 – the “short period of time” scripture.

  so this study is the first one in a long time in which both the 1914 doctrine and revelation 12:12 are mentioned in the same study.

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  Yes, the whole WT/GB are very big on the lowly rank and file to "not speak abusively of glorious ones..."

  They place themselves in the seat of Moses and then say that any who disagree with them are like the rebellious ones of Korah's day....
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  Is Obedience to JW BoE / GBoJW a Christian Requirement?

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in this discussion, we will be examining three precepts on the part of the gbojw which they use to claim that we should be obedient to them and their boe.

  these precepts are.... - the bible instructs to be so.

  - boe are appointed by holy spirit.

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  Really appreciated your post, NK. Liked your research and damning quotations! Always nice to turn the WT words on them and catch them out!

  For me, what helped open my eyes to the ridiculousness of a "Governing Body" was reading the first few chapters of Galatians.

  I don't think the Bible is God's word anymore but I do appreciate using scriptures that show the GB/WTS to be full of bunk!
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  How the Revised, Revised NWT COULD Look Online....

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there must be an abundance of scriptures just waiting to be reworded by the magnificent seven in brooklyn.

  here are a few i'd offer.

  i'd love to hear suggestions for other "revisions" by my fellow contributors here.. (psalm 110:4) "jehovah has sworn an oath, and he will not change his mind: "you are a priest forever in the manner of melchizedek, but you will be joined by another 144,000 melchizedek-type king/priests.

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  (Acts 10:34) - "... God is not partial, but the one who fears God and does what is right is acceptable to him, as long as this person is a baptized JW..."
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  What The Org Teaches: #1 DEALING WITH SINNERS

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  to help those who are fading and those who visit this site anonymously - due to org-induced paranoia regarding "evil apostates" - i'd like to offer some examples of doctrinal teachings for them to examine closely.. hopefully it will provide a bit of comfort for some, to see that their doubts are fully justified.. i'll post a few - one each day - to demonstrate that "the truth" of the org is not what j.w.

  one or two previous topics will be repeated for the benefit of new friends to the site.. what the org says: .

  if a sinner is found to have committed a serious sin, they should be confronted by a witness who has first-hand knowledge of the offender's sin.

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  Nice work, research, and "reasoning from the scriptures", ha.
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  Calling Frank Toth (fjtoth) -- we need your Bethel expertise, please!!!

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  frank,.

  we are trying to complete the names of those folks from bethel who are on the cover of the infamous 1984 watchtower.

  some people who know you have the feeling you may know them.

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  Muddy Waters

  Those are very good 55 reasons. Thank you from me as well, Blondie.
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  Mark Sanderson Talk re Belgium visit

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the degradation of the governing body members continues on.

  mark sanderson gives a talk regarding his visit to belgium for the memorial this year and was travelling from korea to munich to brussels, belgium on the day of the belgium terrorist attacks.he cannot wipe the smirk on his face as he relates his experience, with no regard whatsoever of all those unfortunately affected by the attacks.

  in fact, he personally found god's hand affecting him personally, allowing him to attend the memorial as planned and a kh dedication.he is that privileged during his flight travels that internet was available to him, enabling him to catch up on current news and to contact branch's.

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  Wow. They care only for their own agenda. Nothing else matters. Nothing and nobody else matters.

  And they would even see these "worldly" deaths as a good thing because these people will get a resurrection, yay! Another moment or so later (soon, though!), if Jehovah kills them at Armageddon, they would not be resurrected.
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  G Losch Talk - Do Not Hold a Grudge

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a new video on jw org tv titled do not hold a grudge is presented by gb's oldest member gerrit losch.this is just another representation of the standard of talks prepared and given by the highest level of authority and position within the jw organization.

  they desperately need help, not even their complete rebranding can save them from themselves.some of this gb member's gems about holding a grudge include -.

  - what can lead to a grudge?

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  Muddy Waters

  Gee, and how many bible references did he use? He quoted from their highly esteemed Insight book.

  Rhyming, wow. Budge, grudge, sludge.... Oooooh. You are immersed in the mudge, MrLosch, and after you they shall trudge...
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  Simon: What happens when you can no longer support this site?

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. forum
  2. suggestions

  hey simon, .

  the recent closure of jwr made me realize that this site may not be eternal as well.

  a great deal of people attach a lot of importance to xjw communities and yours is the best.

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  Muddy Waters

  Simon, thank you. Thank you for taking the time to explain things and give us much-needed reassurance!
  
  In light of the terrible mishandling of JWR's rude, abrupt and short-sighted closure, I really appreciated your very intelligent, compassionate, and reasonable description on how one would properly (with compassion and awareness!) bring a forum to an end:

  "... It's hard to predict the future and make absolute promises but I can't imagine ever just shutting the site down without any warning and if it was going to end, would imagine it would be a staged process - initially disable new registrations, eventually disable posting (after a lengthy period) and then have the site read-only for as long as possible. Basically, provide as much opportunity as I could for any transitioning."
  
  Thank you, dear sir & your lovely wife (and all others who make this site wonderful!) I hope you know how much you are appreciated.
  
  
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  JWR usernames list

  by StarryNight9 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i created this thread so that jwr members can list their old jwr username with their username for whatever site they've moved to.

  i apologize if this has already been created somewhere else.. jwr = starrynight.

  jwd = starrynight9.

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  Muddy Waters

  Here: Muddy Waters (little blue newt avatar)

  There: MuddyWaters (little bluebird avatar)
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  Message from Designer Stubble to the former JWR members

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  message from designer stubble to the former jwr members.

  first of all i am glad to see that many of you have found your way to this great forum, facilitated by simon.

  i am sure that after the dust of the jwr shutdown has settled, you will find this to be a good new home.. i would like to apologize for the sudden closure of jwr.

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  Muddy Waters

  I am very hurt and saddened by the abrupt and rude way the "support" forum was shut down and closed off -- if there were some upsets or problems, it was unfortunate that a few "bad apples" were allowed to spoil the whole bunch....

  I too, had bookmarked pages of great information and helpful, healing posts from that site, and even had it mentioned in my will that if any family wanted to know about my journey out of a cult, that they could look up my posts over there under my user name, MuddyWaters.

  I see that was very short-sighted of me, and I should have printed out my posts and saved them somewhere. We were never even given the opportunity to do this, it's as though all the members were disfellowshipped in one great unprecedented move ...

  The most attractive aspect of that site was its emphasis on HEALING and recovery... There were a lot of posts expressing pain, bewilderment, confusion, sorrow, loss.... yet hilarious comeradarie too. Designer Stubble was often the first person to welcome and respond to all the new people (including myself) who were lost and looking for a safe place to land.

  The forum was unique and special. Many members, including myself (in a very small way) helped support it financially (and I would be happy to do the same for this forum too!)

  So it feels extra-shitty to be left in the cold this way. Very poor form. I agree with Slimboyfat about his example of how the forum should have been closed: to give notice, a reasonable time frame to copy valuable information, exchange contact info, etc.